She's goddammed ignorant to not question anything
Contributor: "Wide-awake Canuk"
I still remember Ms. Jolie's visit to Libya, shortly before Gadhafi was murdered, and how she "praised Libyan revolutionaries" and expressed her solidarity as they forged a new nation. While she was there she was taken on a tour of Misrata. She was never shown the devastation in Sirte that at the time was literally begging the international community for help - they had scarce medical supplies, a severe water and food shortage and huge numbers of victims from NATO's relentless bombing campaign.
Not even the Red Cross would go in. Witnesses claimed that the bombing seemed random, hitting civilian buildings in an effort to "terrorize the population into submission."
The massacre in Sirte is now being compared to that of Guernica.
Overall, there are estimates of up to 100,000 Libyan casualties in the so-called civil war.
There is also evidence that NATO used white phosphorous (which burned the victims on contact) and FAE (Fuel-Air Explosive) bombs that "burn all the oxygen in a determined area, suffocating all living beings within its radius of operation."
The photos in these articles are very difficult to look at and the video below is really hard to watch. I had to force myself, and I felt myself apologizing over and over to the people of Libya because my people - the Canadians, along with the US, UK France and the rest of NATO - did this to them, and to their beautiful children.
Angelina Jolie is a member of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and is a long time volunteer for the UNHCR. Hailed as a so-called "champion of human rights" she now seems to be moving into directing movies about war-torn regions such as Bosnia and Afghanistan. I dread to think about the historical accuracy of her UN-approved works.
Fuck Angelina Jolie for being so goddammed ignorant - to not question anything. She has 6 children of her own, yet she smiles and praises the psychopaths who murder and maim other people's children.
And fuck anyone that looks up to her.
North Americans can never understand how horrible and psychopathic war is because none of us "righteous aggressors" has EVER been on the receiving end of any such attack - and likely never will.
Perhaps our appetite for war can only be cured if one day our own children were to lie dying in our arms because they have been torn to pieces by NATO bombs and we can do nothing for them but try to comfort them as they scream and writhe in pain.
I imagine Jolie will one day produce an inspirational film about the heroic Libyan Rebels and the nobel NATO forces who came to their aid.
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Ed Note: The video contains an endorsement of Ron Paul for 2012. This should not be taken as an endorsement by YayaCanada as we are a non-partisan blog. There are many other substantiations for the above writer's antipathy to shills like Jolie contained within that video.
We heartily welcome "Wide-awake Canuk" as a contributor.
52 comments:
Well sure, Angelina has to be for bombing the Libyans. She's one of the beautiful people at the Council on Foreign Relations who tell Nobel Peace Prize winner Barak O'Bomber who to bomb.
Hey CanSpeccy, nice article about the origins of the CFR.
Hard to believe that it was inspired by anything Jesus was puported to have said.
Ditto on the nice CanSpeccy article. I also enjoyed the link to the new Obama poster: "HOPE you don't get indefinitely detained." That is my hope for all of us bloggers in this new year of the new world order.
In the first place that bitch is nothing more than make up, her father is a fascist too. I never admired here or liked her. And she is not beautiful, she is man made, nothing else. I would like to ask that woman what she feels when someone takes care of her own children and they end up like this other children, it could happen because what goes around comes around.
"Fuck Angelina Jolie " If I was young and single absolutely!
What an assholian article. Yaya you are an embarrassment to Canada. Have you seen her film, Land of Blood and Honey? It will probably do more to discourage the general acceptance of war than any of your mindless rages. As for her membership in the CFR, she's among all other other war mongering fascists -- Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, ABC's Diane Sawyer, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and journalist Tom Brokaw.
Get a fucking life.
Since the Anon comment at 16:45 was addressed to me, I will answer to it.
I don't get my information from Hollywood. And you are right, she's among all the other war mongering fascists in the CFR, and your point on that score is ... what?
Anonymous above ignorantly lumps together people like Jimmy Carter and Tom Brokaw.
Methinks someone gets their worldview from watching the ticker go by on the screen on Headline News.
Great article yayacanada. The Council on Foreign Relations is a slimebag organization, and anyone who supports it (or ignorantly claims to without knowing their goals) is anti-human.
Jepp, whos got balls, the grandmother that has to crawl thru a hase of bullets and greandes, just to Milk the fu.. Goats. Or that stone little covard pr.. in a armed vihicle, bragging of how Tuff he is, firing on Civilians.
Thats standart US army behaviour.
But hell, you are the best, right.
To me you are the ultimate pu... in our history as human begins. Only beaten by the Snipers, the biggest and most covard a..holes, only thruout covards becames Snipers.
The ONLY reason the are NOT able to kick our a.. is Airpower, thats it, I have expiriences with US marines, headless chickens and utterly stupid pack of Soldiers.
The day may come when Airpower is dimished or strangled by economy or polution(radioactive elements) I am almoust certain you loose everything, within weeks.
Your covardnes and despecable behaviour is noted by the whole world, and they just wait and wait. Emires colapses, morons, always.
Then we wil see, whos got balls.
peace
...and do you think the Fascists in Hollywood, CFR, BIS, The Fed would let a peaceful person in the CFR and make a movie demonizing themselves and war?
"Hard to believe that [the CFR] was inspired by anything Jesus was puported to have said."
Yes, it is strange, but I think there was some truth in it. At the time (early years of the 20th century) the British were beginning to believe their own myths about the empire. They really hoped to create a global system of states governed by the rule of law administered by a British-style Parliamentary system. However, after WW1, they realized that they lacked the power to impose such a system on the World, so they handed off the project the the US, with results as we are seeing today.
Hey, YaYa, thanks for the endorsement. I always enjoy your fighting spirit. All the best for a prosperous and undetained New Year.
best title ever...
Not normally a gang anything, I do, however, feel it important to note that on the video cover of the first edition 'Lara Croft, Tomb Raider',and during the film, Lara is sporting a Gestapo Skull and Bones belt buckle. Tsk. Tsk, Lara Croft.
Given her affiliations, logic dictates that her future works may hit on some relevant points about the "horrors of war", but will fall quite short of the mark in terms of the true purpose of war and the true faces of those that perpetuate them. These "half-truths" will of course be blamed on ignorance.
Jolie's father is Jon Voight, and outspoken Zionist (in other words just another Jew whore sucking up to power and money of Hollywood):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jon+voight+zionist&oq=jon+voight+zionist&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=1099l4902l0l6445l18l16l0l6l4l1l468l1716l3.4.1.1.1l10l0
Angelina and Jon Voight know who's buttering their bread. Lol, and it may be an act.
Hey Yaya
I'd like to take a crack at Anon too...
Your argument has no logic whatsoever.
She made a film whose story line she very likely
stole or "accidently" co-opted: - whichever way you want to look at it. "Blood and Honey" romanticizes war and twists the victim-aggressor relationship by having them fall in love which I can't see does anything to make people reject war. Finally, you refute your whole argument by saying, to the effect, that it doesn't matter anyway, because she's just another war-monger like the rest.
Duh
Fuck Angelina Jolie et al..
What are you implying here, that Jolie is somehow ethically "trapped" and is obligated to toe the line of the CFR and UN agenda?
Then she really is an ignorant fool and no one should listen to her or watch her films.
hahaha
I think in that film Lara Croft opens up Pandora's box (cue scary music).
I can't believe I actually watched that stuff.
Man, if you though Blood and Honey romanticizes war you really are fucked up. As for my refutation of my whole argument, you obviously are too dumb to recognize sarcasm when you see it. It's not like a piano that falls on your head. You need to employ a few brain cells to appreciate it. As for Yaya, keep smoking that cheap weed. Paranoia obviously suits you.
And you, Mr. Wat, are also dumb as a log. Those names I listed are all members of the CFR. Yes, Jimmy Carter, one of the most ethical and generous human beings on the planet is a member. So slime him because of his relationship with the Council. There are a lot of Fascists in the US and Canada, but Jimmy ain't one of 'em. So then why would be be involved with such a horrendous organization? Oh, I don't know. Maybe because you don't know what you're talking about?
wow
Didn't see that coming.
(sarcasm)
Which part is sarcasm?
The part about the film discouraging war?
About Bill Clinton and the rest?
If you don't understand who these people really are and what their agenda is then clearly your attempt at sarcasm has failed.
BTW anon, you are pretty active on this comment section and your argument has pretty much been reduced to name-calling.
So I ask? What's YOUR agenda? What exactly are trying to accomplish here?
I like watching hollywood shit, because of the special effects and such, but never idolize these whores and SOB's, I am proud to also never watched her movies either! strange but true, recognizing a rotten pattern is easy, you just need to be sober 100%, at all times...
One more thing.
This article has links to others with photos and videos that depict the real violence of war - have you bothered to look at them?
Do you really believe that a "fairy tale" commerical war film has a better chance of putting the public off war than do the abundant photographic and video evidence of real-war atrocities freely available throughout the internet?
If Jolie really wanted to make an anti-war film she would at least have tried to make a documentary.
I have no idea how Jolie is on a personal level nor what her ideology is and, you know, Hollywood's success is built on the idea of "false advertising" so the fact that Jolie markets a made-up persona is nothing unusual.
What bothers me is that in her quest to "be remembered not as an actress but as a champion for human rights" she has not taken the time to investigate the institutions with which she alligns herself.
Maybe she's intelligent and good-hearted but she is also extremely ignorant. These institutions use her popularity to enhance their own reputation and so she is unwittingly helping to dupe the public.
As far as "what goes around comes around" you could be right, but I would mourn her children as I mourn the child victims of the UN and NATO.
You make a good point. Libya was defeated by airpower and if anything happens to inhibit that, the Imperial forces will have a taste of what war is really all about.
I love that heroic image of the grandmother crawling through a haze of bullets just milk the goats.
thank you for your comment.
apologies YaYa, I deleted my first comment-had a couple of early am, not enough caffeine typos in there. Big Gulp! But, it's all better now :)
Well o well YaYa... someone got a bit touchy.
And took it all out on you.
So let me leap in here. Though the language used is not my preferred kind of talk, the sentiment is dead on.
The refugee camp stunt in Libya, was reenacted in the so called refugee camps in Turkey filled to the brim with so called Syrian refugees
Now did you notice I used the word reenACTED.
Jolie is an actor, therefore she puts on a show.
A well scripted, controlled by the psychopaths, show.
No different then any other of her ACTING jobs.
I covered her well staged visit to these so called "refugee camps"
Scripted, meeting just the right chosen individuals etc. Same scenario as in Libya.
No human rights groups were allowed in only as I called her "the smiling happy face of the globalist agenda"
If your brave but totally insane anonymous poster doesn't recognize a psyop....it's only because the management perception has such a strong hold of the thought processes of this sad individual.
Perhaps not sad but to be pitied, certainly.
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2011/06/angeline-jolie-goes-where-no.html
You can read at length about her visit.
I followed that post up by paying homage to her
in this post
Angelina Jolie as the Gorgon
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2011/06/angelina-jolie-as-gorgan.html
In honour of the "goodness angel" that Turkey hung in her honour.
So YaYa- long time blogger, you are not an embarrassment to Canada. You are a shining light.
As another Canadian I am most proud and reassured that their are people such as yourself in the Canada.
In fact I am down right thankful that there are persons such as yourself and Wide Awake Canuck
questioning the never ending stream of lies, bullshit, psyops, propaganda, untruths, half truths.... whatever you wanna call them that we are constantly fed.
To the anonymous poster, brave little one.. take the spoon out of your mouth, pull away from the teat. It is time to grow up now.
Penny: Thanks, always, for your insights and support, and I'm looking forward to reading the links you provided.
I too was a little uncomfortable with the language,and "Wide-awake Canuk" and I mulled that over together before deciding to let it stand. There were very strong emotions being expressed and strong points being made, and we decided that this sparing use of the language of the people might draw some different attention. It seems to have worked fairly well.
Haha, I'm pretty sure I'm not an embarrassment to the whole country, and I only tried "weed" once and didn't like it much. I am very much not embarrassed by the quality of the post by "Wide-awaks Canuk".
Anon, you have hit a hugely important nail on the head. It is absolutely vital that we stay "100% sober at all times", keeping our wits very much about us, if we are going to get through the times ahead.
Everyone knows, War is Peace.
Aw what's the matter. The truth about your make believe girlfriend make you sad? :(
You guys give conspiracy theory a bad name as well. You apparently prefer your circle jerk of ignorance and generalization to anything substantive. The word puerile comes to mind.
So, in the end, do you have anything useful to add to this thread or are you satisfied to just drop your load and head out?
(BTW nice vocab)
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Holy non sequitur, BatMan.
Readers: Sorry if these comments seem jumbled. Google, in its wisdom, changed the format right in the midst of the deluge, even the time format, so some of the earlier replies may not seem to match up with the recipients.
In general, it's a better format I think, although it would be nice if they still hyperlinked each comment for later referral.
I think I've added a great deal to this thread. I've brought to your attention the generalized character assassination Mr. so called Wide Awake has indulged in. I've brought to your attention that your generalized criticism of anyone associated with the CFA is bogus. In fact I've pointed out that much of what passes for fact here is uninformed opinion. We have a lot of serious problems in the world in general with the rise of right wing, NeoCon, neo-Fascist, AIPAC and other kinds of movements and conspiracies, but you guys waste your time with juvenile jerk offs about Jolie. You sound like a bunch of adolescent star fuckers.
Anon: First of all, you're not identifying yourself with any kind of name or even handle, so how do we know what else you have said? Secondly, you don't seem to have spent much time on this blog, or you would know Jolie is a very tiny part of it. Thirdly, it's CFR, not CFA. Fourthly, I suspect you were attracted here simply because of the headline about Jolie, so you're revealing a certain amount of interest in her yourself. Fifthly,you assume Wide Awake Canuk is a male, which reveals your own knee-jerk biases. Sixthly, you don't seem to realize that it's the wars that will cement the very things you say are the biggest problems. Seventhly, you don't seem aware that Hollywood is the propagandist behind all of these things that concern you, making them palatable to the "right wing". Do you really need an Eighthly, because I could go on.
I would love to think that CFR (or as you refer to, CFA) are good-guys or at least harmless. Can you give me evidence that supports this, other than feel-good stories that fill the mass-media?
Of course there are serious problems in the world - and ignorance is huge part of it - especially ignorant public figures who act as role models in society.
I chose Jolie because she typifies much of what is wrong in the world - the deliberate obfuscation of what is really happening.
She was brought into Libya to put a happy face on NATO and rebel atrocities so that the folks back home would believe that something heroic had happened and not realize that something deceitful and murderous had happened instead.
Don't forget that the CFR advises the US government on Foreign policy so their hand was in this too.
I'm glad you're doing part with your concern about Neo-Fascists and AIPAC and the like. Do you have a website? Do you write articles? I would be very interested in reading what you have to say about that.
You seem very concerned about Ms. Jolie - I'm sure she'll appreciate it.
Dear Yaya
When you write something as stupid as "Seventhly, you don't seem aware that Hollywood is the propagandist behind all of these things that concern you, making them palatable to the "right wing" it only goes to show how monumentally superficial, simplistic and lacking humanity your thinking is. It makes you sound as moronic as those dumb fucks on the right who kneejerk their way through life.
For example, in the past year or so "Hollywood" has turned out a couple of films that are right in the face of the right wing. George Clooney, for example, made "Ides of March" which present the Progressive philosophy as clearly and succinctly as any article or book and does so in such a way that it has a much better chance of changing the zeitgeist than all your ignorant and judgmental ravings.
About the same time Kevin Spacey and friends made "Margin Call" pretty much for nothing. No big salaries. Used the celebrity for the common good. A patriotic labor done in such a way that the average, non-political and fundamentally ignorant citizen can see for entertainment and come away with a lesson learned.
Another example would be "Syriana" which was written and directed by Stephen Gaghan and starred Clooney and Matt Damon, another celebrity activist in bad old Hollywood. And there are many other examples of this kind of thing.
Yes there are war movies and cop movies and spy movies that explore a philosophical universe that you and I don't agree with. "24" from Fox (where else?) promoted the idea that torture was not only effective but morally okay. Bad for them.
But where you go off the cliff into the ocean of bullshit is where you ignore the fact that the reason so many people in the US embrace the NeoCon warmongering and bullshit myth of the free market is not because of Hollywood but because of the right wing propaganda juggernaut led by Murdoch's Fox News and Wall Street Journal and Rush Limbaugh and Clear Channel and all the Limbaugh clones.
All of these standing on foundations built by an army of think tanks like the Heritage Foundation etc., which have spent hundreds of millions of dollars appealing to the most base aspects of human nature.
And the philosophy of Ayn Rand who counts among her advocates some of the most powerful political and financial individuals on the planet.
And the massive influence of AIPAC and other right wing Israeli organizations which on a daily basis work to suck the US in to their self serving military agenda.
And the tsunami of money the Military Industrial Complex invests in keeping the US at war with someone somewhere.
These are the real villains in the modern day world, not a bunch of overpaid entertainers in fucking Hollywood.
Mr. Wide-Awake is so proud of himself because he was able to come up with a sensationalistic and scandal mongering hit piece on Jolie and, with your eager help, an entire industry. Well, Fuck you Mr. wide-awake canuk and the lame donkey you rode in on. If anyone is a minion of evil it's assholes like you. You see, my concern is not about Ms. Jolie -- I'm sure Brad would take good care of her should he ever meet you -- my concern is the rabid nature of your thinking which drags us all down to the level of Limbaugh and Roger Ailes and all the rest of the mindless zealots who work for the destruction of democracy and the human race in general.
If any of the above was too difficult for you to understand please let me know.
So where's my reply?
You do seem dragged down, whoever you are. And you do seem hotly defensive of Hollywood, Pitt, Jolie, et al. And you're still calling Wide-awake "he" which means you're so hostile you can't hear properly. Also, you seem quite US-centred in your thinking, so maybe you just think Canadians are stupid. That's not uncommon among Americans. Nobody is arguing that the entities you mention are not dangerous; we merely spent a short while focusing on one person who is obviously their willing agent and it seems to have upset you very much.
There is no absolute in the statement that Hollywood is a propaganda machine for war, and especially sympathy for the soldier. Of course there are exceptions. But Hollywood invented "Cowboys and Indians" and that's had a huge impact across the globe, from childhood on up.
Nobody is arguing that right wing ideologies, and right-wing media and "think tanks" are not dangerous; we've covered the Murdoch issue here,for instance. This was just one item that focused on one particular, extremely famous, Hollywood personality, and you are obsessing on that for some reason.
Our mission here is to expose corporate, government and media lies and half-truths - see the masthead. Ms. Jolie is a part of the media. Please try to get over it.
Yaya, I'm sure you are a sincere guy/woman/transgender (please signal which one because, according to you, I don't hear too well) but I have to say, you really need to train that brain of yours to dig deeper.
So to be clear, I don't think Canadians are stupid. I am one. But when you claim there is "no absolute in the statement that Hollywood is a propaganda machine for war" you are exposing the superficiality of your thought processes. Like all entertainment, Hollywood REFLECTS society, it doesn't create it. There were war stories long before Hollywood. Hollywood didn't invent "Cowboys and Indians". General Custer and Sitting Bull and a bunch of other real life characters did.
You can say that Hollywood exploits history. It's a business after all. But Hollywood also exploited Superman and Robin Hood and Exodus and Greek and Roman mythology, love, nobility, altruism, etc. There were centuries of testosterone fueled love of battle before Hollywood came along. Hell, movie production was nascent when WW1 started in 1914.
So my question to you is, how does a superficial and generalized condemnation of Hollywood serve your purpose, other than the kind of momentary exhilaration that comes at the end of a jerkoff session? How does going after someone who made a film that dramatizes in an extraordinary way the breadth and depth of the insanity that fueled the Bosnian war as an exemplar of the insanity that fuels all war, further your cause?
Somewhere up above Mr./Ms./It Wide Awake, in all his/her/its wisdom says that if Jolie really wanted to make an anti war film she's have made a documentary -- completely missing the purpose of drama as a psychological and sometimes archetypal expression of the soul of mankind rather than a record of perceived fact.
Some other mean spirited and puerile asshole put her down because her father is a Fascist (which he is) so she must be one too -- as if Fascism is hereditary.
What this tells me is that your audience is over populated by emotional pygmies who live their empty lives trying to tear down anyone who appears more successful or more attractive than they are. They're so blind that when they come upon an ally their bile causes them to attack rather than embrace.
I'm sure Jolie has many faults. I don't know her. I don't expect to ever meet her. What I do know is that she wrote and directed a very well made film that will do more for the enlightenment of the human race than all the masturbatory, self-congratulatory and self-indulgence I've been reading here -- but in truth that ain't a whole lot.
Some of you seem like very small people who are afraid of the world and anyone or anything that appears to stand taller than you. In other words, you've already lost the battle because you've lost yourselves.
You really need a pulpit. Now you're not only denigrating me and my contributors, but my whole audience - which you have made yourself a part of.
You say: "Hollywood REFLECTS society, it doesn't create it." Oscar Wilde and others disagree with you.
Please go pontificate to Oscar Wilde. Here's his grave.
Anon is reveling in vitriol and used the title of this article as excuse to do so.
OK.
Anon also believes that movies are a better way to convey to the public the horrors of war than are actual photographic and video evidence.
OK.
Anon really really really likes Jolie's new fairy tale war film and believes that people should watch IT rather than read about the war on their own and honor the people who suffered by reading their accounts and viewing their evidence.
OK.
ALL films - and any creative project - costs money. This means that these projects are biased to one degree or other.
Photos and videos that come from the victims themselves (usually from cell phones) also have an agenda - they want to show the world what happened.
I think the only problem Anon really has is that I used Jolie as an example of the establishment and told it to fuck off because it is hypocritical and cruel.
I also get the feeling that Anon is extremely motivated to have the last word on this thread because Anon knows that most people usually only read the last entry of a thread to see if there is anything interesting to read in the rest of the comments.
Clearly Anon wants to leave the impression that there is nothing but "masturbatory, self-congratulatory, self-indulgence" here so no matter what I say now or in the future, this thread will continue on ad infinitum as Anon insists on getting in the last word in order to discredit the article.
OK
Your turn Anon.
Let 'er rip.
Some Americans support Israel simply because they feel it is politically correct to do so.
Some Jewish Americans support Israel because they believe that Jews are unsafe in the world and that the Jewish homeland needs to be protected.
Some Americnas support Israel because they are friends of Jews who also support Israel.
I don't know why Voigt does.
Anon you have given yourself away completely.
I quote you
"A patriotic labor done in such a way that the average, non-political and fundamentally ignorant citizen can see for entertainment and come away with a lesson learned. "
So you are an advocate for hollywood making "info-tainment" to "educate the ignorant masses."
That's a pretty high-handed attitude you have.
If the masses are suffering from ignorance it is precisely because they are denied the truth through the mass media or otherwise given "fairy tale" versions of the truth.
I have a lot of faith in the masses. I believe that if they are shown the world in a truthful manner they will come to logical conclusions about it on their own.
Jolie knowingly or unknowingly participated in a media event that created a false impression about what happened in Libya.
It is exactly what you advocate that this article was trying to expose.
Anon
It would do you some good to get out of the movie theater and look at some excellent documentaries (available for free on the Internet) instead.
I highly recommend this one:
Lies behind the humanitarian war in Libya (Part 1)
(Part 2)
It is not a fairy tale written by an actress/aspiring humanitarian but it still has some critical value.
I must say, this "conversation" has been very enlightening.
I wish you all the best.
I also thank YayaCanada very much for her patience with this seemingly never-ending thread.
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Thanks to all who provided their thoughts and ideas.
OMG, do you see whats going on in Syria? In spite of a brutal government crackdown, the manifestations continue
maybe Anon IS Angelina? lol. really glad to find this site, thanks for some real news.
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